"They appeared first after the Great Ships came over the
Sea; but if they came with the Ships I never can tell."
When the Ent Treebeard thought back to the coming of the Wizards to Middle-earth, he recalled that they had first been seen in Middle-earth after the 'Great Ships' had come over the ocean. Treebeard was immensely old; he would have been alive at that time, and may even have seen these ships for himself, but nonetheless his account is difficult to square with what we know from other sources of Middle-earth's history.
Treebeard's 'Great Ships' must be a reference to the ships of the Númenóreans, either those that travelled to Middle-earth at the height of Númenor's power from II 600, or the much later ships that brought Elendil and his people across the Great Sea after the Downfall of II 3319. Other records of the coming of the Wizards, however, place there arrival about a thousand years into the Third Age, long after the last Númenórean vessel had sailed to Middle-earth.
It is not impossible that Treebeard was simply confused about the timing (he admits himself that he was unsure on at least some of the details), though an error of a thousand years or more seems difficult to credit. Alternatively, perhaps our other dating sources are only speaking of the Wizards known in the Third Age, while Treebeard was thinking of other Wizards from an earlier Age. In fact, in later writings Tolkien did come to consider the possibility of such earlier Wizards1, though their existence is not hinted at in The Lord of the Rings. To confuse matters, however, Treebeard's account goes on to immediately discuss Saruman, apparently implying that he had been among those associated with the Great Ships, an idea that would be hard to fit into the known timeline on any reading.
Notes
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In a note discussing the Blue Wizards (from Last Writings, in volume XII of The History of Middle-earth) Tolkien writes that 'the 'other two' came much earlier ... when matters became very dangerous in the Second Age.' This does not quite square with the canonical statement that '[w]hen maybe a thousand years [of the Third Age] had passed ... the Istari or Wizards appeared in Middle-earth' (The Lord of the Rings Appendix B, The Tale of Years). Taken in isolation, that statement seems to be referring to all the Wizards, but it is perhaps slightly ambiguous, and it could be taken as referring to just the later three of the five Wizards, with the other two having arrived at the time of the Great Ships, long beforehand. |
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